The man that is in Marcuss letter sets the ground rules of what the definition of a women should be and do because he feels like it is her priority to fulfill his wishes. Children don't deserve to be abandoned at all. Both families are well off and well known. I wonder if Nora thinks about all that while being so into herself with this duties to self. Thus points of preoccupation with fantasies of unlimited success, power, brilliance, beauty, or ideal love and Exhibitionistic requires constant attention and admiration and lack of empathy: inability to recognize how others feel resembles some of Nora characteristics. I don't think it would so much discuss her wrong-doings.This letter to Ulrike is basically a critique of her personality and what she will have to do to reenter her husbands life, but how can he be so sure that she will willingly reenter his life? Marcus' letter displayed no expression of love toward his wife. Nora is seen as a feminist heroin because she was brave enough to walk away from her oppressor, but what if she is the complete opposite of a hero? Since the beginning all she ever really cared about is money and how its so important to have, instead of having family as her number one priority. A few months after his voyage, Columbus decided to write his trip patrons a letter. In this remote situation, I am deprived in a great measure of this comfort. Aside from responsibilities, Torvald also like Marcus blames everything on his wife however as much as we know about Torvald, Torvald actually pushed his wife to this point. He was living by society's rules and really didn't know any better. So under all that reprimanding and power it seems that the husbands are crippled and need their wives to come back. Just because she left her husband she had no right. Chillingworth lies that he's been held captive by Indians. Now from this passage we can only assumed that Marcus wife disobey him or had an affair. Marcus accepts responsibility for the separation only as an afterthought. Marcus is much more in control than Torvald was. In response to the other texts i believe that A Doll's House is not a Feminist text but indeed a Marxist text. Nora likes this attention, she faces a number of dilemmas, but one can tell that she enjoys this interest. David. If Nora is viewed as someone as narcissistic, then I can only assume that anyone who ever chases after their dreams or goes after for something they believe in, needs to be considered narcissistic as well. However, I do not believe he takes on any responsibility for their separation. My personal belongings will all be sent to you. He had to keep his wife in perfect conditionlike a delicate set of China. She's always talking about how her husband is now going to make so much money she will live worry-free. he does in the start of the letter state that he feels it is both of them who have caused this seperation. Marcus knows that will never bring her true happiness, but he himself must always feel secure. WebThis quote tells us that John sees himself as superior to his wife, who is something to be laughed at. The primary points of the letters from Abigail Adams to her husband John reveal that, in all likelihood, the country elected the wrong half of this letter Marcus was determined to pass from defense to offense and to an expansionist redrawing of Romes northern boundaries. "Women in this society was not 'natural' but artifical, a role created by their relationship to the family and their subservience to men" (1768). Nothing surprising for me here in this letter. Contemporary audiences have different sensibilities than audiences from Ibsen's day. I also agree with what Oksana said about how Marcus views his wife in a "role of a slave". I understand why some are saying that Nora is seen as narcissistic, however, I do not believe so. Tuft says Nora is narcissistic, and I think that is something we can all agree with. The difference between Helmer and Marcus is in Helmers case the control was not much emphasized as much as Marcus. Marcus basically explains to his wife that she has sinned first therefore the entire sin is on her and not him which is exactly like a dolls house. Also, the itinerary he requested from her and the schedule that was enclosed with the letter both show me that he is a very demanding man and most likely a difficult person to be married to. Prime Minister Patrice Lumumba of Democratic Republic of the Congo, Brussels, January 26, 1960. He expresses his dissatisfaction of her actions by telling her outright she "sinned greatly." It matches up to one of the behaviors in the list. Because he didn't take blame for her doesn't give her the right to leave because she is not standing up for her self she is being childish towards herself. xSe[9A In Marcus' letter, he doesn't beg her to come back or claim to make any changes for her. WebThe Project Gutenberg EBook of The Principles of Psychology, Volume 1 (of 2), by William James This eBook is for the use of anyone anywhere in the United States and most other par Yet, when things do not go the way she wants them to, she packs up and leaves her family behind. I just find it ironic that perhaps the one person who has lost of most (her family) and most dependant (servant) appears to be the most content. While she is proud of her accomplishments, they are few because she is able to have maids to tend to the things that she would otherwise have to do. Marcus is very similar to Torvald, since they both believe their wives to be insufficient and incapable of thinking and living for themselves. Nora found it convenient to live with Torvald because he would be capable of providing her with the money she needed and then some. It is filled with many demands and some teetering on insults. While she is merely doing it to "find herself," she is leaving all of her responsibilities, including her children, without guidance or completion. Noras abandonment of her family was wrong, but there were many of things that provoke her to leave her family. I completely agree with Alyssa. In the end, she sees that he is more aware of his own self and she needs to discover what or who she can be without anything from him whether it's money, love, or even their kids. A denial of the validity of an opposing argument. Although, at the same time she leaves without worrying how her children will end up just because they have someone taking care of them doesn't mean they don't need their mother. He is not making a command, but making his wishes known. answer choices She wishes to state her approval of the Articles of Confederation. Tuft feels that nora is narcissistic because he feels that she is only thingking about herself. If not, Nora wouldn't have done what she did for her husband. Helmer also wants to be in control in his household. After Ulrike leaves Marcus, he writes his letter and sets reasonable wishes for her conduct once she returns, while Nora did not leave Torvald until the end of the play Torvald also demanded reasonable wishes for her. She is very preoccupied with her husbands success. The husband takes responsibility for his actions only in the form of basically stating that he may have been wrong but, "she started it". And that was clearly stated by her slamming the door and walking out. I mean if she is not happy with her husband - this is one thing and I can understand that. He is not so angry though, in fact, by the very end of the story, he seems to have a sudden hope enter him. It is interesting to see how Marcus talks down to his wife, even going as far as giving her a list of orders. He did not say hurtful things to her. Does he accept any responsibility for their separation? WebWhich of the following is one of Abigail Adam's reasons for writing the "Letter to John Adams"? To what extent dos he accept responsibility for their separation? Marcus's letter to his wife i found was very harsh towards his wife. These relationships are not like the marriages we are use to seeing, they are more like transactions and mergers, but as cities and industry grew in the 19th century the desire to contribute to society might have prompted these women [ Nora and Ulrike] to self discovery. Her fingernails were red. In addition to that, although too late Helmer does admit that it was wrong for him to treat her the way he did after reading the letter. He accepts possible blame too for their problem, only in that she forced him into that behavior. If she had not wanted to spend her life attatched to Torvald andher children, why get herslef stuck in the situation in the first place? The opposite of narcissism would be unselfishness or my altruism and the only person who may fall into that category is Anne-Marie, the servant, so was she the happiest? Marcus starts off by saying you have sinned greatly and maybe I too; but this much is certain: Adam sinned after Eve had. It's business. Marcus even states, So it is with us; you, alone, carry the guilt of all the misfortune which, however, I helped to enlarge later by my behavior.(Isben, 1765) This passage reveals how serious Marcus is about his wife being the blame to everything that has been a failure. Both,Nora and Oedipus, sadly, decided to keep denying the truth. The tone that he has when writing this letter to his wife is so demanding and in a way almost threatening. WebSelect search scope, currently: catalog all catalog, articles, website, & more in one search; catalog books, media & more in the Stanford Libraries' collections; However, right after he states they were both responsible for the seperation he seems to put the blame right back onto his wife. WebSummary and Analysis Letter 3. He is verbally abusing her to the point until she is broken down and reduced to nothing. I believe this is a humanist approach to the idea at the end of A Doll's House. Their happiness seems to be completely parallel to their economic status or at least their comfort (or lack thereof) with their economic status. This comment has been removed by the author. What significant similarities and difference you I did not consider the character of the maid, Anne-Marie, who seems to be the most content of them all and is the lowest on the economic stratum. 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She can come back and play the role that she hates or be out in the world as an outcast, that could prevent her from living a normal life. A difference that I see is that Helmer is willing to do anything to get Nora to come back but Marcus lays down all these rules if she wants to come back. Nora needed to find herself as many people do. Socit; Collections. You explore the feelings of a man desperate in the heat of loosing his job, and wife trying to hide the debt she has obtained from her husband. Between 10 and 18 million people eventually died. One of the similarities between Marcus's letter and Nora's husband is in the fact that both of them want their wives back. The letter that Marcus wrote to his wife Ulrike is what would be fuel to a feminist's fire. Looks like Ulrike might have the best of both worldsShe may continue being the lady of the house and continue to "sin greatly" if she does it it "sensibly" and keep up appearances. Marcus claims thats it is her stubbornness and ambitions that prevents them to be his wife again but this is why she doesnt want to be envied and this is why she is leaving.Significant similarities between Marcus and Torvald is the idea that the husband needs to be paid back for the things that he has done for his wife. Abandoning the family and kids were considered something very shameful and against any moral law of the time. I would have sent it back. She wanted to test Torvald's love to her through the financial situation she stuck herself into because of her own love for him. She also shows that she is a narcissist when she flaunts her money in front of Mrs.Linde. Over the past hundred years or so, productions of "A Doll House" have romanticized Nora as a heroine for a feminist cause. Just as Helmer, Marcus ends up with a broken family. Torvald rewards his wife with jewelry, gifts and money but is unable to really love her. At the end of the story, Nora leaves her husband, her children, her vows even her old life in search of a better one. He seems to be very harsh towards his wife. Solution. WebThis upper-middle-class Jewish family lived in Hamburg, Germany, where Marcus was a doctor. They were at once the lay face of the church, the spiritual heart of civic government, and the social kin who claimed the allegiance of peers and the obedience of subordinates. Throughout the play she was preoccupied with her needsWhen she was "enlightened" to the fact that she really wasn't happy in her marriage, she immediately decided to leave with no thought of even trying to work things out. In the letter, Marcus also sets circumstances under which his wife can return to his home.But at the end, I don't think they have any right to say that they are real men. Aside from a brief mention of their family (their children and their extended families), there isn't a personal tone in the words written. Both parties demands/requests only for "savingappearances" (Norton 1550) as nothing else matters including happiness, only keeping up the appearance that both families are just as solid as they once were. He was disappointed that knowing the role society has for her in his family and how that reflects upon him, yet she chose to shame them. May God bless and keep you, dear heart, and be kind to little Elizabeth, and those others I love so well. if she was not narcissistic then she would not have needed to walk out. Torvald Helmer differs from Marcus, because Torvald does not seem to be as forceful. Nora suddenly leaving her family, while abrupt and a cold thing to do, was not narcissistic in my opinion. Just by reading his letter to her, it seems that Marcus holds all the power in the household. She left him and their kids because she needed to "examine" herself.I also think that because Marcus and his wife were Jewish, it seems like he subjects her to his will and what he wishes at all times. It comes across more as a letter written to someone who defaulted on a marital contract and is not doing her job as a wife, than a lover who was left behind or done wrong. She used her womanly seduction to get money from Torvold on a constant basis. The tone of Marcuss letter to his wife is very strict and bitter. Furthermore if such decision making power she had then whey has she ignored Dr. Ranks condition? What human being is wrong for finding what makes them happy? Through this letter we can see that Marcus was not in any way like Torvald. She can choose to come back and be good, or she can be refuse to comeback and be an outcast. Torvald does admit his mistake and begs Nora to stay, while Marcus pretty much says, "I was partially wrong for the way I acted, but I don't really care whether to come back or not." From the span of Christmas Eve to the dawn of the day after Christmas, you see a woman grow fed up with the world around her and walk out on her entire family. This, I find, is actually quite the contrary. Nora does display some characteristics of a narcissist that are given by Tuft. I found Tuft's purpose was to show that what happens to Nora happens in real life as well. She is also worrying about keeping "secret" safe so that Torvald doesn't find out. I find some very significant similarities and differences between Marcus and Torvald Helmer. I truly dont believe it was for the obvious rotting effect, but the way her rotten teeth would be perceived by the public. When she left, he was left feeling guilty and responsible. However, walking out on your family has a great affect on many individuals. It has an effect on my overall life which is somewhat hard to explain. Narcissism is characterized as someone who has a large sense of self-importance, preoccupied with fantasies of success, requires constant attention, indifferent to other peoples feelings, and takes advantage of others to get what they want. I guess by those standards, everyone is a narcissist. Van also helps give Marcus many of the great ideas that make his rebellion succesful. Which places her as a narcissistic, but truly she was not. So Marcus is well in the boundaries of the morals of his time. However, it is quite obvious the two men concern themselves with the upholding of their reputation rather than the health of their marriages. In Marcus's letter to his wife, his tone comes off as authoritative, egotistic,extremely critical, threatening and domineering. /s. He is an empty shell now that she is gone and it becomes more and more obvious with each chauvinistic statement.He also spoke of things to come. Marcus and Torvald Helmer are very much alike. WebThe colonel tried to shoot him down before he left the plantation and promised to shoot him the next time he saw him. This describes Nora to a tee. She is very self-absorbed. I think that if Helmer were to write a letter to Nora, it would not be of the same framework as Marcus' letter. Two very different men. The women in a A Doll house have no true identity because they are unequal to the males. Her job is to serve his every whim. Tuft's purpose in arguing that Nora be seen as narcissistic because Nora character cannot stand on her own. Whenever Marcus does take partial blame, he quickly follows it by an excuse to keep the situation from ever being completely his fault.Marcus seems to be a strong character. When she leaves her family at the end of the play, her excuse may be that she finally wants to be in control of her own life and make her own decisions which on that side who can blame her? It's almost as if he is saying, "hey, I am doing my part, you agreed to do your part and you haven't. WebHis father Marcus Ulpius Traianus, also born in Italica, was a senator, and therefore Trajan was born into a senatorial family. The list of things he presented for her to obey to made me imagine him as a wicked step mother giving orders to Cinderella. ever since I've had a job the amount of money that I currently own has been a great supplement into making me feel either depressed or achieved. I feel he treated her more as an object then his wife or a human being. Or if she even desires to? But now I doubt that Helmer could have wrote to his wife. It seems that Tuft's purpose in viewing Nora as narcissistic is to give her a reason to leave her husband and children to "search for herself" the way she did. His tone of the letter comes off as authoritative, egotistic, extremely critical, threatening and domineering. (As stated by Kathleen) In the first two sentences he starts off the letter by, You have sinned greatly- and maybe I too; but this much is certain: Adam sinned after Eve has already sinned. >>>I think, he seems to not care if his wife will still return after reading the letter even he He was equally guilty as her because he shouldn't have pushed her away from him and she shouldnt have left her children. Helmers lenient way in controlling his wife was way less controlling where as Marcus was in complete under his rules.A women living in the early nineteen hundreds with Noras traits being rebellious and lacks content in what she has is definitely a narcissistic. Tufts wants the readers to realize that Nora is not illustrating any form of solidarity towards others. He believes women need to live with a man in order to have necessities and a good reputation. By approaching Nora's character as a narcissist, newer productions can add more layers to her character and enrich the overall play. Due to the traditional thought that women at the time were to obey the husbands was a sign of being victims but in this case and in many others women might use that as a way to get what they want, in this case Nora playing the role of being happy got her money from her husband and since he was promoted that meant the world for her. As the letter implies, Ulrike had left home and children: the letter establishes conditions for her to return. He thought their home and family was happy. It is clear that he firmly believes that a wife should be loyal to her husband, and is extremely angry with Ulrike for leaving him. He wanted them to know that the voyage they financed had brought them riches and new land as promised and encourage Instead, words that describe tone focus on how the person's disposition or mood is conveyed. A guy might be focused on the visual and notice something about you thats beautiful to him. His proposal for her to come back to his home and their society is very strict and restrictive of her own personal will. A friend less concerned about themselves or even slightly concerned about another would have recpgnized the intrest. The difference is , Trovold kind of treats Nora as a child or dog -- giving her rewards for being a "good" wife, like always giving her money and rewarding her with jewlery and clothes. In the end, she doesn't return home so it is obvious that this letter had pretty much no effect on her. His tone in the letter is condescending and self-righteous. It comes from not getting to know a person. But do we need God to hope our eyes if they are glowing with light? Both Marcus and Helmer are angry because the the thing that they thought they had their grasp around is slipping from their fingers. (Genesis 3:13) Marcus compares him and his wife Ulrike to Adam and Eve, stating that he like Adam only sinned as a result of Eve, vindicating himself of her actions.The experience of Marcus and Ulrike is similar to A Doll House however only in a few ways such as Torvald's decision to lay the sole blame on Nora and his expectation of her wifely duties after receiving the initial letter from Krogstad. 15. (BedFord 1765) However, as much as he blames his wife for the destruction of their family reputation, he does take some responsibility; it should be noted that the word "some" might be an overstatement. Abigail and John Adams's letters to each other show a rare marriage of equals, historians say. Because if the time period these characters are in, Nora could not be much of anything and was living under the financial accomplishments of her husband Torvald. In the very first sentences of the letter Marcus is completely blaming his wife. He's clearly very narcisstic. Between Torvold and him, the only similarity I see are that they are both left with no wife and not a happy family. In order for the play to remain a seminal piece of social commentary, Tuft argues that Nora should be seen as a narcissist thus adding more complexity to her character and to the dynamics of human relationships. Torvald even goes so far as to beg his wife suggestions on how he could change, how he could make things right. However, I believe that she acts like this on the surface in order to hide her insecurities about her own life. She walks out on her husband and children to take care of herself and her own needs. When she spoke with Anne Marie about how she left her children to take care of her, she was just using that information to talk about herself, questioning what would happen if she left her children. It seems that Marcus does not take much responsibility for their separation. 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