I didnt want to upset James. Will James not wake up and realize that the Church of Jesus Christ is not the organization or nonprofits we create, but the men and women that God calls and saves by the sacrifice of His Son? And the lies werent just shared by James. The question is, how many pastors/leaders are actually GIVING AWAY the ministry and equipping others for it? Harvest launched a radio show; founded a Christian school with over 700 students; built its own retreat center; produced feature-length films; wrote its own worship songs; and created its own. I think that was his recruitment tactic. If you read the history and understand the public record of offenses at Harvest (with many more than the requisite two or three witnesses), you will understand why this is not only completely justified, but actually necessary to the restoration of healing and good order to Christs Body. These patterns were present and recognized as early as 2012, and nothing was done about them. A friend sent me a link to sermon about this yesterday: https://radical.net/sermon/kingdom-community/. I can only hope and pray that those that criticize you for speaking up now are MORE upset about the behavior of the leaders of the church! I then called an elder who was a friend and someone I trusted. Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those in Christ Jesus, for the law of the spirit of life (in Christ Jesus) has set me free from the law of sin and death.. Leaders should have secular jobs: You are courageous! We left Harvest for, among other reasons, the bad theology and overall silliness of the womens ministry. Thank you for teaching even in the midst of giving your testimony. Also another story emerged on why another person left Harvest Bible Chapel. Yet a week ago I posted on FB an invitation to open my house to anyone who needed to talk about their pain as it related to what was happening at Harvest. My coworker who was Catholic and going through a painful divorce, was led to Christ by me. People need to be accountable for their actions. When I left my job I stayed at HBC for about another year before leaving entirely. DeeperWalkInternational.org. Hi Lina. There are always two sides to every story not really believing your story and if someone is a Christian you would talk about this with some Church leaders not blow it all out in public its sad that it was done that way that isnt what a Christian would do it is what a secular person would do. Just goes to show, pride goeth before a fall. If you know anything about abusive relationshipsHBC is in the honeymoon phase right now.look it up!! I still had friends on the inside that I longed to remain friends with. During his sabbatical, MacDonald had planned to preach at the. Another church on The Lord's Way is on its way out. May God be glorified through this. Typical gossips and power struggles are only the surface. I believe you spoke up now to show how far reaching the powerful words and actions of those in authority goes. Opt out of televised preaching? How do you know it wasnt done with fasting and with prayer? In one fellowship people were actually warned to have nothing to do with us, and yet all we had done, in each instance was to ask questions. I should have left that week, but I was too afraid to cause damage to Jesus and His kingdom and the women I was leading at that time. When I talk to people about this, they are quick to disqualify anyone who went along with James, who did not stand up to him. This cancer must be excised and as often as is the case in cancer treatment, months of treatment must be involved for health to take place. Read the Old Testament. Its by an unbeliever, but wow, is it eye-opening. Not saying thete arent strong christians in leadership at this church but it does always seem that when pride gets in the way of leadership it hurts that person and everyone around them. The pastor also gets $1.2 million and a parcel of property in Crystal Lake, Illinois, as well the ministrys equipment, books, and digital resources, the church announced this week. There were several close family deaths, lost our home, business and more. Lina has every right to speak her truth . In any case, Im saddened to hear that this happened to James McDonald. His sermon provides good reasons for why we need to shine light on these abuses. We are currently experiencing similar tragedy at HBC-Naples. What should we be planning for, praying for, and what did Jesus teach about? Doing ministry you love. In announcing MacDonalds termination, Harvest elders stated they are committed to fulfilling our fiduciary duty as the leadership of this congregation, knowing that at times the outcome may be misunderstood or emotionally painful. However, 2 of the groups meet in Panera Bread. The kindest thing one can do is to cut out and expose the cancer to death. or is it the congregations fault for being weak and gullible? Thank you. I regret staying at Harvest after that meeting with the elders. You personify a strong, fast talking, intelligent woman, which is a gift by way of your heritage. No One Knows. I hope to become braver. You wrote a blog about how an increase in tattoos was in some way related to a decline in holiness and you were a leader in the church? Last November, Harvests new elders (all those who served under MacDonald stepped down) declared that their former pastor failed to meet the elder qualifications laid out in Scripture and could not return to their church. But your words affirmed what I suspected. Each weekend, services include live, vertical-focused worship. I was recovering from the deep wounds and hurts from when we left when this all came rushing back in and opening old wounds. It is finally the truth coming to light from his own actions and the people who protected him for years. Long story short he kicked my husband and I out of the church. No wonder Harvest dropped the suit. 6. Congratulations on your freedom, Lina! I always wondered why you left but after reading The Elephants Debt I figured I knew why. I share a lot of the same feelings. I have 3 small groups now that are like this but we lack music. James has all the characteristics of a false teacher. Still, even I knew when enough was enough. Pray for all the lost and unsaved who are not hearing the Gospel and our testimonies right now from our lips because sin has been made the main thing. first Bill Hybels. He stopped going to any church and says he has lost faith in everything. This young lady has done the work and is doing the work of the great physician. A defamation lawsuit by the church against the website, and Julie Roys, a reporter for the bi-weekly Christian World magazine, who investigated Harvest, was dropped last month. Hoping you come back and teach a book of the Bible. Even now, many years later, the enemy could still, if I let him, get me questioning my motives and trying to persuade me I was in the wrong not the shepherds. Pastor was not happy and tried to convince us that we were wrong. Lina, a number of years ago I was reading one of your books while waiting for Gordon Z. to join me for lunch. Several years went by and one family apologized to us as did another man. He has harmed thousands of people. Its difficult to understand how people can now know what they know and still only criticize the ones that feel compelled to now share their story. Pray for those outside the faith who will never come to salvation because of how this appears to them, Muller wrote in his op-ed. Im thankful you followed the Lords leading in these stressful and difficult circumstances. The eight former elders who signed the letter alleged that that Harvest ran a puppet elder board; that a culture of fear and intimidation plagued the church; and that the elder board, which was supposed to be responsible for overseeing the churchs finances, was not granted access to financial information. Pray and console those whose faith has weakened from this. God the Holy Spirit wanted Lina to speak more specifically at this time; and she did. God wins the war. I never attended HBC except for the one time when we visited several years ago and had to sit out in the foyer as the music was blasted out too loud. A former Harvest staffer was also reported to police last fall after being accused of embezzling $270,000 from the church. In another incident at Camp Harvest, MacDonald reportedly stabbed a photo of a former Harvest pastor with a butter knife. Do you not remember that God used His Chosen to reveal the sin of not only churches, in the New Testament, but also to Kings in Old Testament. Others wised up and slowly left. Again this is HER TRUTH! Dont damage the church by being publicly critical. Harvest and MacDonald had a contentious separation last year, when he lost the position he held for 30 years over inappropriate comments and harmful conduct stemming from his legal battle with people investigating the church. Like the unsaved around us we fight for positions of prestige to lord it over one another. Dont listen to haters. I was mortified. Thank you for sharing! I will not blame those who suffer spiritual starvation for wolves like the James McDonalds, Joel Olsteens or Creflo Dollars (to name but a few), however designer churches and their false teachers are the direct results of people who refuse to be obedient and submissive to Gods will. Or were you saying they were bullied too. Where there is no vision and freedom the people perish. I volunteer in the childrens ministry and the youth ministry as well, pouring into children and youth. The decision comes after an explosive scandalous period at Harvest, including a botched excommunication,an ill-fated attempt at a defamation lawsuit, a scathing investigative report from World Magazine and then this most recent, shocking revelation. This pastor couldnt have been more wrong. Thank you for sharing and speaking truth Lina. Sign up for our newsletter: Maybe people could handle hearing it better now than then. When one part of the body hurts, we all hurt! The Lord has used you mightily before, during and after your exit from the toxic leadership at Harvest. Lean should read it and reply in kind. Gods heart, over and over again, is for those who are oppressed. He ultimately requested that Harvest Naples be released from its relationship with the megachurch. Sheila, we are not called to be good, we are called to be HOLY! Did you realize elders and pastors are personally apologizing g to people? 35The good man brings out of his good treasure what is good; and the evil man brings out of his evil treasure what is evil. This should not be! We just determined to treat the circumstances as a loving God giving us a different direction. I choose to stay through this pain because, for me, leaving would create a wound that would never really heal. However why now? maybe its time for all of us to wake up. I am so inspired to see you today. Free of James fear. Now that these differences with MacDonald have come to resolution, our focus and full attention are on the future of Harvest Bible Chapel, they said. Its very important that people share their stories. You are being bold and telling the truth and just wanted to encourage you.I always loved your passion for Gods Word and pray Gods blessing as you stand strong Him! Those who would shame someone for standing on the side of truth and grace have missed the mark. Yes Nellie, we are called to bring light on the darkness. I have only read the first few paragraphs of your post and needed to stop there to send this reply. That is, so many think that the church is the pastors ministry and they dont adequately facilitate the ministry of believers. He lists grievances against Harvest including a false narrative in financial matters, a hostile takeover, shunning our family, the wrongful seizure of the ministry assets returned to him in the recent arbitration, and a vicious but unsuccessful strategy to end our ministry permanently.. After he was treated and had surgery he was totally different person: quick to get angry all the time, control freak, and mean.there are things that we dont know. The World article on the topic says that after Secrest was fired, "he was stunned, because his contract stipulated that he could be fired only for . We dont know each other, but I found this via Julie Roys Twitter. Swicegood released a statement saying that much of what has been alleged "is simply false, misleading and hateful." He added that the . These being the facts of my simple, uncomplicated, and naive experience as an attendee and member of Harvest, the last several weeks of revelations, discoveries, denial, anger, grief, victims, conjecture, embarrassment, hurt, stories, gossip, cover-ups, accusations, defensiveness, lawsuits, maliciousness, divisiveness, blame, threats, and even some name-calling as of late I have begun to realize that those of us who are just the congregation, the blessed and appreciative recipients of the God-given talents of all those involved in running and ministering Harvest, we are now in the painful position reminiscent of children involved in the divorce of parents, both(ALL!) In the arbitration, MacDonald retained the rights to Walk in the Word, a part of the church that had put on his teaching ministry and popular radio broadcast. Unfortunately I dont think the Harvest RM is the only Harvest with a culture of fear. Harvest elders announced this morning that they were forced to take "immediate action" on Tuesday to end his 30-year tenure. The reason there are spiritual Pol Pots that number in the thousands like our friend James McDonald is because men are happy to give themselves authority. I believe Lina did do the best she could at the time. This is the mercy and grace of God. In our case we have been pulled away from our church as well because of how we have been treated for our daughters actions. I believe this is God working to expose sin just as Jesus warned Luke 12:2-3 33Either make the tree good and its fruit good, or make the tree bad and its fruit bad; for the tree is known by its fruit. In a recorded video message, Bill Sperling, an elder, told the congregation that the elders concluded that there is a sinful pattern of inappropriate language, anger and domineering behavior. Look, Im sorry, but thats a bit late. I am sorry I am so late to discover this article but I had to respond to this comment. Bless you! The environment is as ahw stated, fear James, make James happy I should have left that week, but I was too afraid to cause damage to Jesus and His kingdom and the women I was leading at that time. Everything that is painful for everyone and anyone has been talked about endlessly for weeks. Could you provide me with a link please. Yet Jesus minces no words when He tells us we ARE to judge teachers by their *fruits* and expose evildoers (and leads by examplesee His very public chastisement of the hypocritical Scribes and Pharisees in the Gospels). But I hope the healing can begin, and I hope the abuse will stop.. But He is in control of everything and if He wants HBC to continue, it will continue. No matter what everyone else says, it does take courage to say something. Thanks Sheila. I have great empathy and sensitivity toward them. What Can Christians Do About Climate Change? Some women were still in the middle of the trauma and were still currently attending Harvest. The Rolling Meadows Campus is our founding campus and for more than three decades has testified to God's faithfulness. I do not believe your timing should be questioned. Harvest elders announced this morning that they were forced to take immediate action on Tuesday to end his 30-year tenure. An eight-month investigation into pastor James MacDonald and Harvest Bible Chapel, his Chicago-area megachurch, culminated last week with the publication of a World Magazine article by Julie Roys. Let us pray God will send His Spirit upon us and cure us of this. A final incident in Roys article involves MacDonald publicly berating HCA students, an incident witnessed by Harvest videographer Luke Helmer. I left the church 4 years ago, the week after 3 elders were publiclyex-communicated on a cheap home made movie not worthy of one wasted second of the worship service. Because it is time for this cult to be exposed and she is telling her story. God bless you. No one seems to be able to discern right from wrong anymore. Your mission and your ministry is beautiful and changing lives. this isnt meant to hurt you but to support those who need it. Maybe its because youre a doctor and have such a desire to see people healed. I so agree with your cancer analogy as it relates to Harvest. who we really love. I am so happy that finally people are standing up and talk about it! I cant imagine a culture in which you felt such fear. That is why we keep talking. All this comes on the heels of another scandal. The good intentions of our ministry partnership with Harvest Chicago have been overshadowed by these developments, he said. For me, I live with the regret of not taking advantage of the opportunity to come over and get to know you. I was brushed off. You can read that story right here. Jesus calls us to be GOOD. What you are talking about is protecting abusers at the expense of those they have abused and betrayed which, unfortunately, happens far too often. I stay with confidence that God will not be mocked, he knows the perfect balance of justice and mercy, he will redeem this pain and we will witness HIS power in HIS church. But those elders who are sinning you are to reprove before everyone, so that the others may take warning. Often it was the leadership that lost track and influenced the group. It was love at first sight!! Jackie Alfirevic HBC mothership (1992-2011). Fear is never a godly way of governing. I have nothing bad to say about Harvest. I work every day to be rid of my anger and thank you for proving that church is an unsafe place filled with predictors such as yourself seeking to tear down. This post reminds me of something that happened at my former church. Harvest Bible Chapel has owned its mistakes and endured to become a happier and healthier church, whose members recently pledged financially, in their walk/work for Christ, and in their. Thank you for your vulnerability. I also assumed that because of the size of Harvest, those closest to you would reach out. We wont let fear overcome the freedom weve been given in Christ. Lina, thank you for your post, and thank you for your honesty and transparency. Same as your departure, not a single person reached out to see how I was doing once I left my job. The evil at Harvest is a nasty stage four cancer yet has invaded the entire body. hi liz, not really looking for a vote here. The congregation has been deceived, lied to, and hounded to give sacrificially, all the while the senior pastor has been making hundreds of thousands of dollars. WHY NOW??? I didnt want to upset James. Harvest Bible Chapel Naples and its landlord have reached a settlement, ending a court battle to evict the church. God has this situation in his hands he wasnt surprised by it. Elgin Quick Links Baptisms, February 19th One person (not from Harvest) asked if I needed to call the church to cancel my membership. By the time I left, I had discovered something dark about myself: I was a woman ruled by fear. Do you think God approves of pastors who deliberately scam their congregation for years, use his name for money and abuse people for the Almighty Dollar? * 36But I tell you that every careless word that people speak, they shall give an accounting for it in the day of judgment. Patheos has the views of the prevalent religions and spiritualities of the world. I loved that about you. When the Church becomes the organization instead of the people, then it ceases to be the Church. I can think of hundreds of small things, and some rather large ones, that Ive compromised myself for. I was always greeted with a kiss by a cute missionary girl that went there. The culture of fear, intimidation, and secrecy has poisoned not just Rolling Meadows and its campuses, but also trickled down through the fellowship. New to Harvest and my faith in Christ, I didnt know what was going on and still kinda of unclear of all the details. This is not an endorsement of the culture at Harvest because its total trash, but you cant blame them for you bad theology choices. *For the mouth speaks out of that which fills the heart. My blog had indirectly undermined James. In the midst of efforts to reconcile with longtime critics, Harvest Bible Chapel fired its founder and senior pastor James MacDonald for engaging in conduct contrary and harmful to the best interests of the church.. Thank you for this post. Her princes within her are like wolves tearing the prey, by shedding blood and destroying lives in order to get dishonest gain. You are completely right on! The preacher has no support system to fall back on but must find a new church before the new hireling moves in. Once a preacher condemns other, that is the sign that he is trying to avert attention from what he is doing. I kept seeing little hints of questionable goings-on at Harvest Bible Church, a large megachurch in suburban Chicago, but didnt really pay attention until last week, when the issue blew up in the most bizarre way. When someone lies with such ease , that is pathological, and they must be removed from their positions!! The Elephant's . I will be praying for you , too, Lina. It is those who live in fear. Each former leader that speaks out helps us heal and validates our experience. Thank you for this. She loves the Word and words, is a binge reader and grammar nut, and is fanatic (as her family can attest) about Jeopardy! Come together at part of the body of Christ called Harvest Bible Chapel and pray that Gods will not ours be done. But should never be a pastor again! Because ultimately what God wants is not a huge army of women who are nice. Lina, given your vast experience, It is ironic that the experience at Harvest should be seen as a culture of fear. Ross, Ross, He is very likely not a brother in Christ. I love this idea! And for those that have not witnessed spiritual abuse, or worse yet experienced it personally, but are now hearing about it, this is your opportunity to ramp up your prayers for the Bride of Christ. To heal enough to communicate and receiving shaming comments like yours. Since I know I am capable of the worst sin, I am choosing to show grace and praying fervently. Whats also sad is that old witness accounts go to show how truly far reaching and how long this behavior has been going on. Transparency in finances The Harvest and James MacDonald Controversy Explained, Did Pharaoh Have Free Will? Following the initial World report, MacDonald announced he would be taking a sabbatical, but suggested he may still occasionally preach at a Harvest-affiliated church in Florida. It seems that was true at Harvest, just as it is at many local churches. Also note how the apostle Paul called out Peter publicly when Peter was indulging in hypocrisy! Theyre gone. Just how historically reliable are the Gospels and Acts if even prominent evangelical and conservative Protestant Bible scholars believe that fictional stories may exist in these books? Christs grace saves us and sustains us. I pray your steps continue to be guided by our Lord! Start praying for Jesus to heal the entire body of which He Alone is the Head. I think he forgot Whose ministry it was. And I do want to state that MANY of us have made every effort to address the problems prior to leaving. This post drips of mercy. Seriously? Our enemy loves this. Kenny Foreman, Founder of Cathedral of Faith, Passes Away at 88, Millennials Cant Buy MeaningLets Talk the Meaning of Life. Most of my friends as well. But if they submit to the Healer, they will come out stronger. These three men had then joined six other former eldersthese men had all left Harvest entirelyin writing and sending a letter to the current elder board raising concerns about MacDonalds leadership. Im sure I will find much more to comment on, but I hope to leave it at that as an encouragement to you. Harvest Kids is our weekend experience for kids (babies to fifth grade). (images of wife beating and mental control come to mind) God bless. Be blessed Lina! She is sharing her heart and personal experience in an open, vulnerable way, in kindness and love. The Lord knows and he keeps the books. That, apparently, was what it took to get him fired. 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